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And if you've studied day cares in the least, in the home care is supierior to group day care.

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Guys, this isn't Russia or China. Socialism is the gov't system where the government meets your needs to enable you to work. This is a free market.

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Originally posted by Sunflower Central:
[qb] MJ,
One thing to consider. I personally have a friend who babysits my children. It is a cheaper option. I pay $240 per month for both of my children. The issue is that I can't claim the tax refund based on that. And if you've studied day cares in the least, in the home care is supierior to group day care.

Guys, this isn't Russia or China. Socialism is the gov't system where the government meets your needs to enable you to work. This is a free market. [/qb]

I have to agree with Sue on the "HUH" my first issue would be that if you can't claim it on your taxes then that implies that she is not claiming it as income ~~~ big no no, is she insured as a daycare?

The next thing I am questioning having worked in the social work field and having dealt with both in home daycare and comercial daycare, there are advantages and disadvantages to both, I don't see how one could be better than another except for your own personal situation.

Lastly China is not socialist, they are communist, and Russia used to be communist they are now trying to be democratic.

Canada is a socialist country and I am pretty sure that daycare is not free for them, but we would have to ask some of our Canadian members. And in this country, daycare is subsidized at the federal, state, county and someteimes even the city or school district level, to the point were it can be 100% paid for.

Heh...I'm with you Sue.

Maybe Sunflower could provide a link that proves "in the home care is supierior to group day care." From what I've seen, the majority of day care tragedies occur in homes that operate as unlicensed day care facilities.

You certainly can claim expenses from an unlicensed day care on your taxes. You just write down the person's SSN instead of their EIN. Here's a link to the IRS form.

Heh...and finally, I doubt that Russia or China provide child care to their people.

I'm going to ditto Dali. I've been upstairs painting and can't get this off my mind.... thankfully Dali posted to this for me.

I also don't understand why either comment was even posted and walked away dumbfounded because I didn't even know where to start in a response.

What irks me is that a generalization about daycare like that on a site for single parents, well think of all the parents here who have their children in daycares. First of all the statement is not true or factual, but if somebody believed you did a qualified research study, how would that make them feel?

Nevermind the fact that there isn't a bit of anything backing up that statement. Are your children even in an in-home daycare situation? Does your friend come to your house? Is she a licensed provider offering daycare services to other families in her home?

Why in the world are you bringing up Socialism? I didn't see any connection to the thread.

lol...settle down Sue I'm sure she didn't mean it that way...

...and didn't anybody like my idea for year round school? Lots of non-socialist countries are doing it nowadays...nobody complains when the govt provides school for children (well...some home schoolers, private schoolers, and childless people do...but somebody's always going to complain about something)...jeez...I at least thought *someone* would would comment on it...

Yes I do like the idea of year-round school. There are so many options for school years that other countries use that seem to benefit them in many ways. I think our school "year" is pathetic as it stands. Tis a school 1/2 yr. 181 days right? Something around that number anyway.

The problems still exist even with year round schools. I believe CA has a year round school program where they get 3 week breaks. We would still need childcare for that tiem period, and when it is added up it is equivilant to a summer break. There is still the before and after school issue and of course the non school aged children. Year round school doesn't appear to be the answer. Maybe there is more information I am not aware of?

Ohh, and in reference to other countries with year round school, what is their single parent rate? In the documentaries I have viewed the mothers are usually stay at home moms catering to the family. Is there information contrary to that somewhere?

lol...are you a public school teacher or something?

It seems, to plead my case, that I should come up with some more info. I'm sure that I can at least get stats on school year length and single parent rates for other countries. I'll google it later and post what I find.

I never said that it'd end the need for daycare. I just said that I, personally, would have a great part of my daycare burden lifted if I didn't have to find 40hrs/week of it every Summer. I think I can speak for most single parents with one or two school age children.

Heh...as for children that are too young for school...well, I wish that the cp could stay home with them. There is proven benefit to parental care as opposed to hired care...

I am totally with you in the burden, but as I mentioned the breaks between sessions would amount to the same as a summer break. I am fortunate enough to now no longer need daycare, but it was a struggle even when we had 2 incomes. I fully understand everyone's plight as I have been there.

No I am not a teacher. I am just an office manager for a fire/water restoration company. Way off the mark on that one, though I did want to be a teacher, but the money ran out when I was done with my first 2 years. Grant money wasn't enough to cover the additional expense and loans were out of the question since we were already paying a $20,000 school loan for my ex that amounted to nothing as far as a career in the long run. Oops, went on a tangent, sorry about that.

Let me know what you find out in your research. Just thought those were points to consider.

Well, the only thing I know from my personal standpoint is that I feel school, as it is, is way under where it should be.

What I do know is that typically children "fall back" a bit academically over the summer months. When you look at schedule and routine and young children the idea of an 8 week "break" makes no sense. Especially when you look at some of the children with special needs or on the edge academically. It isn't productive in any way. It can take another 8 weeks (sometimes more - sometimes less) to get back into the swing of things.... that is a huge waste in my opinion.

I don't know the research on the comparison of say a 2 or 3 week break, but I know that after a 1-1/2 week break it was a lot easier to reconvene than it was in September.

I didn't comment on specifics of what other countries do because I don't know them. Just something to consider and look into.

Oh I should say, I don't think year-round school would be an answer to the daycare issue, no. I think it might help our children better prepare for future life as an adult in this world. Unless you are a teacher, working for a living is year round (and honestly, even teaching you spend an awful lot of time during the summer break preparing to "begin again" in September.

Sue,
I'm sorry to come accross that way.

Okay, There are sociology articles to argue that in home, small group care, is more benifitial to children. When it closer emulates a normal home environment. As a result the children learn more about day to day life, normal responsiblities, and junk like that. And no, not to say we aren't providing our kids the best possible care we can. Hey, I haven't achieved perfection, I can't walk on water.

Socialism, marxism, all that government system is based around the idea of joint ownership, and providing a way so that all the workers are able to work. Sorry that I just spoke off the cuff, and didn't really go into detail. Point is, We are a free market. Though our government does provide some systems to help, the purpose of our governement is not to take care of our every need. No, doesn't work that way. US Government is not set up to create jobs for this citizens. If we want that sort of country, we'll need to revamp the whole system here, and personally I don't like that idea. America may not be perfect, but having lived elsewhere, I'm pretty fond of our systems. They work pretty good, not perfect, but better than other places on this globe.

How does a single parent afford any decent day care for their children so they can go work? I don't know!

I have to say, I'm all for year round schools. I think they are a great solution for the loss of material over the summer. Kids function better with that. I don't think it would solve the day care delima though.

On the inhome vs. group there are articles that go both ways. Daycare is way too subjective of a research topic. There are pros and cons to both settings and depending on the child one might be great for one and not another. I tend to flip a bit when I see a strong statement to one side that is stated like a black & white fact. (I maaaay have overreacted?LOL)