So the question is...

How many time does a parent get to beat their children [strangle, chock, hit in the head like a bongo drum, pin down and whip with a window bind stick all over the body] before they[courts] saction that the offending parent no longer allowed to have contact with the child permently?

Can someone PLEASE tell me!!!

Please...

Is it the mom or the dad doing the hitting? The system seems to have different standards depending on who does it, and if there is a custody dispute.

Robin,
and Dale,

to me, this question, and also this answer, implies the answer to Robins interrogation is: MORE THAN ONCE.
this is horrible, this can't be true. Please don't tell me I am naive.

In my area, if they can blame a man they will ignoring any evidence that shows otherwise. Also if there is a custody dispute then they have different standards, tho they say they don't.

Most of violence laws are interpreted differently depending on the gender of who dune it.

Divorce 11 years, no custody dispute, and yes it has happened many times.

With two of which are confirmed by CPT [ with graphic pictures] and one confirm by regoinal emergancy room [ again with photos]. All having photos taken by officials.

First was in 1988 for aggrevated assualt-battery
- on an adult of opposite gender
- went to a lesser charge
Next 2/1989 possion narcotics
Next 4/1989 was assault-battery on on an offiicer

these went to a lesser charge due to the person signing up for the millitary, and as long as s/he was good in the millitary s/he would keep the Ajudication withheld.

Next 6/1996 domestic violence
- on an spouce
- Obtain a deffered procecution so to go to school. to better support the kids.

Next with in the 10 years that follow 1996 s/he went on to abuseing the children.

January 2006 The state stepped in an was charged again...

Next 01/2007 fenoney Child abuse
- obtained 5 years and a mental evaluation
---kicker --- s/he got probation so to support the kids and
- and a Plea withheold [ a virual convition]

Now----
if s/he did not complete what the state ask and follow recommodations by january 2007 parental rights were to be terminated...

Well geuss what... the courts are still giving yet another chance.

And the Judge has stated "I dont need to hear from the children, they have made it well known they are in fear of [this parent]. But for their best interest the children should be in thropy with [this person] so to have reunification....

children are 15 and 11 years


+++++++ CANT SOMEONE TELL ME WHY!!!!! +++++

Wow I just can't believe that. A friend of a friend got accused of aggrivated child abuse that had been dropped down from ATTEMPTED MURDER. The courts immediately intervened, removing both children from the home and not only didn't allow any more contact with this person but also charged the child's mother as an accessory and with obstruction of justice since she tried to hide the bruises with make-up before sending the child off to school. This was all in Florida too so I guess I can't say that it was just a different state with different laws. The accused knowing he was guilty and was facing up to 25 years in prison committed suicide. The mother only has supervised visitation with BOTH the children even though the little girl had never been touched.

Maybe if this was brought to the attention of the media something else might be done. It's all a matter of public record so nobody can say there's a "leak" to the press. There can be a gag order issued but that wouldn't change the fact that the media already had the information. That's what I would do anyway. Public outrage can be a great tool.

I don't know about elsewhere, but in Oregon complaints against judges is handled behind closed doors, by a good old boy process. If the complaint process was out in the open, then judges could be held accountable for their dumb judgments.

Robin the situation you described is just wrong, and so is the system.

Well, is it possible for the kids to sue?

I just don't get it Robin. The courts...where ever this is taking place...are just WRONG. I don't even know what to say other than maybe it is time to go just as public, into the media, anywhere possible. I also realize that it could mean other retaliation, lawsuits for slander etc. but geeeeeeeeeez it's just not right that this "parent" should be allowed more and more opportunities to harm those children. And of course I'm not just referring to physical harm, but emotional as well. This judge that keeps allowing this needs to have his sheets pulled and checked out why he would keep allowing this even though this "parent" has continued this thug mentality and actions.
Heck, if this person were robbing liquor stores as often as these assault/violence/abuse charges are piling up, they'd be locked up with extra time as a career criminal.

I wouldn't worry about retaliation since all of this is a matter of public record. You can't get sued for slander for reporting the facts and the facts are, this judge is making a poor decision regarding these children. Maybe he has a history of these same poor decisions. It wouldn't be hard for a reporter to find out. If you could find somebody that would be willing to do the leg-work and find out how often the judge ignores the obvious reasons children should be protected then they could print his statistics as a pattern of behaviour. I imagine it would be really time consuming but it's worth it.

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Originally posted by BASICALLYAMY:
I wouldn't worry about retaliation since all of this is a matter of public record.

You'd think so.......but .....it's not just the judge that would be in the spotlight on this. Just as screwy as the story itself, so are the other possibilities........senseless as it may be.

The judge [really is a magistrate] {and is different from the other ruling pareties}
that I quoted is for dependancy court due to the state removing the children from [this parents care] the non offending parent had shared parenting. Thus was given sole custody of the children while there has been a State no- contact order. This particular case has been going on for 16 months. a child support order was not estabilished and the non-offending parent has just been awared support for what the children are intitled to, but we will see for it SHOULD be begin being duducted in june 1 2007.

There is a arrears of 11000. in rears being owed to the non-offending parent.

but aside for child support and any finanicial stuff.

The criminal feony child abuse to only be looked at as this is his first charge for child abuse. and that no one seems to care what has occured to get this [family?] group. That there is a pattern of behavoir that to me [mho] in progressivly getting worst.

The state GAL and case worker was shown proof that the non-offending parent has not let this [parent into the home and limited any phone conversations with this offending parent and when made aware of any abuse from when the schools had called or after school programs had called and reported , the non-offending parent followed up with also making a report, so not to be accused of not reporting.

Their only real contact, was exchanging the children at a local place and emails conversations.

But what I dont see is how having contact/reunification with this offending parentis is in the 'best interest of the children'

Isn't this the same as teaching a victim to contiue to keep going back to an abuser???

Isn't this what abuse shelter is all about, to help sever ties to an abuser and NOT to keep going back placing an un-needed safty risk.

As what was stated before, I am doing my best to stay to facts. And not make this a gender issues either.

To BasicallyAmy no gag order is issued at this time.

To Dad of 3+3 I am only stated what has pictures and the non-offending parent had no contact with the children for days. There are other allogations where it was not so clear cut and hearsay from the children but no witnesses and it had turned out to be [this parents] word against the childs word.

I have seen the pictures of this last [?] attact and the child look like they had been in a car accident. The non-offending parent had to bring the child in the hospital -as advised the school who made the call this time, to have the child checked for internal bleeding.

And the offending parent did try to use that these NEW alligations [in 2006] that this was do to a custody, But with pictures and the divorce being 10 years old and nothing being filed about any thing for over 5 years s/he was hard pressed to be believed.


But again, I am hard pressed to see how reunification with this parent is in the best interest of the children.

The non-offending parent is scared that when the order comes down that the offending party meet with the children, the non-offending party will not be able to get the children to go.
And then the non-offending parent will be held for contempt...

The children want to talk to the judge too, but not if the offending parent is present...

Additionally, if any one want to give notice to there local newspapaer, or Dr. Phil, or who ever this information,

I am willing to give all Facts to any media. The copys of photos and paper work I am holding for the non-offending parent.

++++ Can Someone Tell me WHY???? +++++

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Isn't this the same as teaching a victim to contiue to keep going back to an abuser???

Absolutely! I have a friend that's in an abusive relationship with her husband. She's doing serious damage to her children by staying/going back all the time. He forced her to give up their 3rd child and recently forced her to have an abortion. I gave her a home and all the emotional support I could for 5 months last year. I helped her raise her children (whom he had absolutely no contact with while she was living here with me) and did everything I could to encourage her to stay away from him.

So far he hasn't abused the kids (that she knows of) but it's only a matter of time before he does. His immediate response to anybody or anything defying him is to lash out with his fists.

I've had to distance myself from the entire situation and her. It hurts me to see what she's doing to herself and her children and know there's nothing I can do. She has to be the one to leave and stay gone. I can't help somebody who is unwilling to help themselves so I wait. I wait for her to get fed up enough to stay away from him. I wait for her to get brave enough to realize she can make it on her own. I wait for her to see the damage she's doing to her kids. There's really nothing else I can do.

Robin, this is horrible (not that you need me to tell you this). It seems to me that the magistrate/judge has lost sight of the aims of the system (safe guarding the children). After some hasty research I seem to have found that the Florida courts are administered on a county by county basis and you need to break out of that loop. Perhaps contact the State Attorney General's office and give them the raw data on what's been going on. Even better might be your State Representive/Senators offices and some local/state news outlet - let people outside the legal system see what a mess the county has made of this case. I did this when I was having trouble with the VA and boy oh boy did I get a reaction. They went from we can't do this and you can't have that to how can we help you real fast.

A link that might be helpful - or not -

http://www.lawyersforchildrenamerica.org/matriarch/Mult...CommResourcesFlorida