i have only been in USA once.. and that made me think, why are there so many that belive in god.. why is god so important to americans.. dont you belive in you selves? why do you need god.. ??

What an awesome question!!!
I can not answer for any one but myself. I am only in control of myself. Most things I am not in control of and those are the things that I have found God takes care of for me. I have confidence in myself and try to raise confident children to believe in themselves. I also teach them that they are only in control of themselves and nobody else, this is where the power of God comes in to take care of those things we can not.
Take a look around the world God is not only important to Americans. He is important all around the world. There are different names attached for different religions, Hindu, buddhist, etc...but a higher power just the same.

As in the other thread:

Man is ultimately flawed....and therefore not a absolute deity to be honored or worshipped.

And without God, ( in some form ) If you stand for "nothing", you'll fall for "anything".

As we, "Americans" have seen many Countries do, in the past & recent history.

"For there is a Way that seems Right to a man, but the end, therof is Death." - God.

quote:

Originally posted by paulj_in_phx:
As in the other thread:

Man is ultimately flawed....and therefore not a absolute deity to be honored or worshipped.

And without God, ( in some form ) If you stand for "nothing", you'll fall for "anything".

As we, "Americans" have seen many Countries do, in the past & recent history.

"For there is a Way that seems Right to a man, but the end, therof is Death." - God.

othr countries fall because americans go to war in the name of god....

quote:

othr countries fall because americans go to war in the name of god

I do not believe that our Country is at war in the "name of god...." Our Country is at war defending ourselves from terrorist threat. I am not condoning this war but I sure as hell support our troops!! And I may be seeming a bit harsh here, but this is a single parent SUPPORT group, NOT a place for you to keep bashing America!

I dont think you can put that label on all Americans. Our government went to war. Some of us agree with that and some of us dont. The idea behind America is that we all have a right to our own religious beliefs or lack thereof. I think it depends on the region of the country you visit and who you ask. As for the strong religious base in America, I dont think we are the only country in the world with that idea.

quote:

Originally posted by norwegian_mom:

quote:

Originally posted by paulj_in_phx:
As in the other thread:

Man is ultimately flawed....and therefore not a absolute deity to be honored or worshipped.

And without God, ( in some form ) If you stand for "nothing", you'll fall for "anything".

As we, "Americans" have seen many Countries do, in the past & recent history.

"For there is a Way that seems Right to a man, but the end, therof is Death." - God.

othr countries fall because americans go to war in the name of god....

LOL...uhm...how big is your country again? LOL

Yeah...I thought so.

Wow...it's a good thing other countries never do...nope they go to war for ...uhm...their leaders....let's start naming some...every european country for one....Vietnam, China, Japan....Hey Good idea! We'll go war for a man, not God!

Nope, I'm not saying we're going to war for God...just showing how stupid ALL countries can be. Those that havent mad war at one time or another, are either too small or too chickenshit, where does your country fall under? Oh maybe it's one of the many countries that instead has been...dare I say it? Actually "Protected" and/or "liberated" by the U.S?

Oh, why the hell do I bother with idiots?

Who is the greater fool? The Fool, or he who argues with the fool?

........count to 10 PJ

You know...my Grandfather spent his whole young life in Europe for yahoos like this ....it's funny how fast they forget that.

My uncles? in places like Korea...and Vietnam.

My cousins in Afghanistan and Kosovo, and Serbia....

Count to 10 my Ass!.... what "Ingrates" some Countries can be.......not you Mashey.

Never forget what the Japanese commander said at Pearl Harbor....

" I fear that all we have done is awakened a sleeping giant."

quote:

Originally posted by Mashell:
And I may be seeming a bit harsh here, but this is a single parent SUPPORT group, NOT a place for you to keep bashing America!

Well said Mashell.

quote:

You know...my Grandfather spent his whole young life in Europe for yahoos like this ....it's funny how fast they forget that.

My uncles? in places like Korea...and Vietnam.

My cousins in Afghanistan and Kosovo, and Serbia....

Count to 10 my Ass!.... what "Ingrates" some Countries can be.......not you Mashey.

Never forget what the Japanese commander said at Pearl Harbor....

" I fear that all we have done is awakened a sleeping giant."

Oh i'm all for ya PJ. My Father; Step-fater and both of my grandfathers fought for this country and for our freedom and I have friends and family over in Iraq & Afganastan right now. I'm just saying that we have enough stress as it is, let alone getting too worked up over the likes of ignorant people.

quote:

Originally posted by norwegian_mom:
i have only been in USA once.. and that made me think, why are there so many that belive in god.. why is god so important to americans.. dont you belive in you selves? why do you need god.. ??

Hello Norwegian Mom,

As Mashell pointed out, this site is for the support of single parents. The first few posts you made, were appropriate and received supportive responses. Your recent ones, however, have been religious or political in nature. While this site has no rules against those topics, they are tolerated when discussed in a way that is respectful toward the people who disagree with you. I'm hoping that the tone in these posts, is largely due to your writing in a non-native language.

Anyway, I'm an American Athiest. I do not believe in anything that can not be proven through repeatable experiment. I was raised Catholic and my whole family is still Catholic, but all the logic and reason in my brain say that they're nuts and I just can't follow them. Still, what good would it do me to convince them that they're wrong? They get a lot of positive things from their faith; for me to try to take that from them would be terrible. It's unlikely I *would* change their minds too. After all, it's not like I can prove that God *doesn't* exist. Really...did you intend to change minds with the things you posted? If you did, you should know that it came off as belittling, and that's certainly not going to change anyone's mind.

Also, is Norway really a less religious country than the US? The data I found indicates they're about the same -> http://www.worldreligionday.org/statistics.html Do you have data that shows otherwise?

As for the US's "going to war in the name of god," I assume that you're speaking of our current occupation of Iraq. You can find the reasons why the US invaded Iraq, in our Secretary of State's address to the UN. Although most of the reasons presented were wrong, none of the reasons were about religion. Honestly, if that's how our invasion is being portrayed in Norway, I thank you for giving us that information! Our politicians certainly did not sell the war to us with that justification. I hope you accept that fact that 0% of the Americans on this site believe that's why we invaded, as evidence that you have received false information about American intentions in Iraq.

Really...since the US has been in that country, haven't we executed their rather secular dictator and replaced him with much more stringent followers of the Islamic faith? Why would we do that if we were "fighting for our God?"

Anyway...I hope this thread turns into an opportunity for understanding, rather than a source of bad feelings, as those are counterproductive to the purpose of the site.

Later,
Bobby

I'm so stunned I can't even put together a response that makes any sense.
Is this for real even, or just an attempt to find a forum to stir up emotion (which is working quite well I see)?
Ah well, think I'll go back into my corner now.

quote:

Originally posted by Don:
I'm so stunned I can't even put together a response that makes any sense.
Is this for real even, or just an attempt to find a forum to stir up emotion (which is working quite well I see)?
Ah well, think I'll go back into my corner now.

Ehh...my emotions remain unstirred. I'm much more likely to be touched by a sad single parent spilling their guts about their daily life.

All this political stuff though...it's starting to get to be too much...even for me...

Edited to Add: hmmm...this thread is a no avatar zone?